I initially ordered these jeans in 8 petite, as I have the bayside twills that fit in that size. The waist was too small and high and the long back pockets made me look flat in back. I returned the 8's & ordered the 10 P with no more luck. The waist didn't seem that much bigger. So I tried the 12P. The waist again was too high, the thighs too baggy, & the long back pockets again flattened me out.